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C A P I T A L
Civil Air Patrol Information Transfer Alias, Vol. 2, No. 4
5 February 1991
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Make sure to include the keyword "CAPITAL" in the subject line.
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The contents of this newsletter do not necessarily represent the
opinion(s) of the editor, the Civil Air Patrol, or the United
States Air Force. Nor do the opinions of the individual authors
necessarily reflect the opinion of their home units. Home unit
information is furnished for informational purposes only.
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directory /explore-me/av/capital-folder.
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The editor reserves the right to edit or reject material.
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EDITOR'S CORNER
2nd Lt Joakim Karlsson
Hanscom Composite Squadron, Massachusetts Wing
Once again, this issue deals mostly with the use of Internet and
Usenet in conjunction with CAPITAL or a Civil Air Patrol BBS.
While apologizing to those who have subscribed to CAPITAL to read
action filled accounts of SAR missions, no one has submitted
anything along those lines lately.
Unfortunately I find that I have less time available to work on
CAPITAL (this is way issues have been taking a bit longer to get
out), so I'm very eager to see some sort of BBS set up.
An interesting suggestion that has been brought up by several
people is that of providing a Usenet News Group dedicated to the
Civil Air Patrol. More on this below.
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CAP NETWORKING
1st Lt John Stanley
Syracuse Senior Squadron, Syracuse, NY
> In: Civil Air Patrol Information Transfer Alias, Vol. 2, No. 3
> SM David Kovar, Hanscom Composite Squadron, Massachusetts Wing,
> writes:
> Access would be via telnet for those people on the Internet and
> via dialup modems for everyone else.
As an alternative, why not make use of the Usenet network that is
in place and already functioning as a big BBS? It would be simple
to open a new newsgroup that was chartered for CAP use. There are
already groups that are mail digests for those who do not receive
news groups which convert postings into Usenet e-mail messages.
To keep the group focussed it would probably be best, at least at
the beginning, to have it moderated. That means that all posting
requests are mailed to one person (the moderator), and only the
moderator may post messages to the newsgroup. Something like
Joakim does with CAPITAL. A moderator would also be able to handle
all the curiosity seekers who post "what is the CAP?" or "how do I
join?" by sending a canned mail message back with the info. So,
the group would also be good advertising.
This has several advantages to Internet use: (1) You do not tie up
one system with many people telneted at the same time. (2) You do
not tie up the two modems for people without Internet access.
(3) There is a huge amount of equipment already in place. (4) David
would not have to figure out some way to bill everyone.
What happens if there is no local public access Usenet host? Well,
a group could always set one up themselves. All it takes is a PC
with a hard drive (20 Mb should be plenty), the software
(shareware), and a phone line. One great advantage to this method
is that the same software can provide a BBS locally, so that group
wide information can be posted there. The big hassle is the phone
line. If I had a second one now, I would have such a system set up
in Syracuse.
There are 4 steps to getting this started today:
1. Track down the newsgroup->mail gateway software, and find a host
to run it on. Maybe the 3/260 already offered? The software
could be something as simple as packing all the new news
messages into one file and mailing it to a list. That could be
done on a PC. You don't need the reverse mail->news gateway to
be automated, that is what the moderator does. If it doesn't
exist, I can write it.
2. Create a group. Of the existing major Usenet hierarchies, CAP
would probably best fit under alt. The others are comp(uter),
rec(reation), talk, and biz(iness). The only reason I would
tend to suggest rec is that it receives a wider distribution
than alt, and it is one of the more structured hierarchies.
If we want a rec. group, it will take 2 months to get it (it
will be discussed to death by the net.guardians, and then it
will need to be voted on). Alt takes a week or so.
3. Find a moderator. Or, decide that the group be unmoderated.
Then you will need a mail->news gateway. That, too, is pretty
simple.
4. Find an archive site to keep software and other items of long
term interest. Maybe the 3/260 already offered? This site
would allow those who need something to use anonymous ftp access
(or mail access through one of the ftp mailservers). Or limited
dialup access to a guest account that can kermit things off.
> I think I can find such a card for about $2000.
If you really want more serial ports, find a terminal server and
tie into the ethernet. Each serial port places a load on the CPU
for each byte coming in, while the terminal server can packet
things up. You will also be able to connect to more than just that
one 3/260, if you ever need to.
> The access would be provided through a member with an account on
> an Internet machine,
I think you will find this rare. At least, from a computer
security standpoint, I hope so. I know that if I found one of my
users loaning his/her account to anyone, that account would be shut
down.
> or by donation from a local university or corporation.
You are most likely to find the donation will be a UUCP connection
for Usenet than an account with Internet access.
> From 1st Lt Michael A. Barnes, Iron Range Composite Squadron,
> Michigan Wing:
> Now if we can just get the National BBS and maybe the Region BBSs
> Internet access...
Or UUCP access...
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THOUGHTS ON A CAP BBS
Maj Brian Boyter
Monticello Squadron, Virginia Wing
There is no way I or my squadron would pay for a bulletin board....
There's already a BBS at national that I have no intention of using
because it won't transfer the data to my computer (i.e. you have to
read it on-line). There's already a BBS at Virginia Wing that I
have no intention of using for the same reason...
There are millions of computers running the Usenet bulletin board
software. Maybe it's time to create a group on that forum. I
suggested that someone within local-calling distance of the CAP
National BBS could download the messages on that system
periodically and send them over Usenet to us out here in netland.
Cost = $00.00
So why are we talking about creating another useless bulletin board?
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REC.ORG.CAP - A CAP USENET NEWS GROUP
2nd Lt Joakim Karlsson
Hanscom Composite Squadron, Massachusetts Wing
As one of the coinitiators of the discussion on an Internet BBS, I
have followed this trend very closely. I now feel that the idea of
an Internet dedicated host is somewhat premature. Issues of cost
and access seem to overwhelming at this point. So, David, while I
(and I think many others) greatly appreciate you offer, it doesn't
seem to be the right approach at this point in time.
Nonetheless, CAPITAL has its limitations. It is not very
interactive, it is time consuming for the editor, it comes in large
chunks, and its readership is relatively small.
Based on opinions by other readers, it seems that a Usenet news
group may be the best solution. Usenet news access is wider than
Internet access, and if it is possible to set up a mail/news
gateway, anyone with Usenet mail access can benefit. This would
include all readers currently on the CAPITAL mailing list.
The only problems I foresee are: Establishing and maintaining the
news/mail gateway. I cannot do this, so someone else would have to
volunteer. I would however, help in getting the mailing list set
up. Once the news group was established, CAPITAL would disappear,
but a message would be sent out to all readers asking if they want
to be placed on a mailing list in the case of no Usenet news
access.
The other problem might be that we don't have enough interested
readers to establish a newsgroup. The process requires a
discussion period followed by a voting period of approximately a
month. The pro votes have to outnumber the con votes by at least
100, and have to constitute at least 2/3 of the total number of
valid votes. I would volunteer to initiate the discussion period
and handle the voting.
If anyone has any suggestions for a group charter, please submit
them to CAPITAL. Personally, I strongly believe the group should
be unmoderated - with such a limited scope of interest, I really
don't think it will stray to far. In order to stave off to many
"What is CAP?" type questions, a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
list would be maintained and posted regularly. I would also
volunteer to take on this responsibility.
I suggest that the group name be rec.org.cap - indicating that CAP
is not just an aviation group (i.e. I'm against rec.aviation.cap as
a group name). As has been mentioned previously, the rec structure
has a wider distribution than the alt structure, and is therefore
preferable. Although I don't mean to suggest that the Civil Air
Patrol is purely a recreational organization, it is almost
exclusively an all-volunteer force. The substructure rec.org
already exists. I am of course, open to suggestions.
If anyone is interested in this idea, please write and tell me what
you think. If I get several positive comments, I will initiate the
discussion period. The call for discussion gets placed in
news.announce.newgroups, and any other groups of interest. I
suggest also placing it in rec.aviation, sci.aeronautics,
sci.military, rec.ham-radio, and misc.emerg-services. The actual
discussions has to take place on news.groups. I would be willing
to manually post submissions to the discussion for those who do not
currently have access to the Usenet news groups.
Meanwhile, if anyone could step forward and volunteer to take on a
mail/news gateway, I'd be very grateful.
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MISSION PILOT GRANDFATHER CLAUSE
Lt Col Richard E Oakes
Headquarters Colorado Wing
As a follow-up to some previous discussions, I have a copy of a
letter from the Chairman of the National Operations Committee (not
National HQ per se) which gives a return address of 9726 W. 9th
Street, Wichita, KS 67212-4313, dated 18 Nov 90, subject CAPR 60-1
Pilot Qualification Interpretations, and which is addressed to the
Utah Wing commander, with copies to HQ CAP-USAF/DO and to a
certain Col Lewis. It was not sent to Colorado Wing directly, but
when a member wrote directly to National HQ on the subject of
grandfathering, he received a letter saying he should have gone
through channels, and a copy of the letter to Utah Wing. We
received a copy of this reply to the member, with this letter
attached.
Text of the letter is as follows:
1. We have reviewed the questions you posed during our telephone
conversation of 13 November 1990 concerning application of new CAPR
60-1 pilot requirements to pilots who were qualified in specific
aircraft or as mission pilots prior to the effective date of
11 August 1990. In response to your questions, the following
guidance is provided:
a. Those pilots who were qualified in a particular aircraft (such
as a C-182) on 11 August 1990 but who do not meet the pilot in
command requirements specified in CAPR 60-1, paragraph 3-3a(1)(d),
may continue to fly the specific type aircraft in which they were
previously qualified as pilot in command. Initial checkout in
aircraft in which the pilot was not qualified on 11 August 1990
must be in accordance with the requirements specified in the
applicable paragraphs of CAPR 60-1.
b. Those pilots who were fully qualified as a CAP Mission Pilot on
11 August 1990 but who do not meet the pilot in command
requirements specified in CAPR 60-1, paragraph 3-14d, may continue
to perform duties as a mission pilot provided they meet all other
qualifications. Mission pilot qualification for pilots who were
not qualified on 11 August 1990 must be in accordance with the
requirements specified in CAPR 60-1, paragraph 3-13.
2. This guidance has been coordinated with Headquarters
CAP-USAF/DO. Please do not hesitate to contact me should you have
any further questions or comments.
(SIGNED)
RALPH W. RISSMILLER, JR., Colonel, CAP
Chairman
There was no authority line (FOR THE COMMANDER or similar) on the
letter. I hope this answers many questions.
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GLOSSARY
BBS - Bulletin Board System
CAPR - Civil Air Patrol Regulation
DO - Director of Operations
FTP - File Transfer Protocol
HQ - Headquarters
Internet, Usenet - National computer networks
MB - Megabytes
UUCP - Unix to Unix Copy
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Send any comments you may have on these issues to the Internet
address below.
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Joakim Karlsson
aviator@athena.mit.edu